Zkills wrote: Criminal wrote:
Zkills wrote:Same argument could be made against the clan in question. If a player wants to leave to the rival clan because he/she isn’t having fun anymore then why should they have to return gear? Why would they get a bad label for doing so? They worked hard for the clan, provided their services for the clan, and now that they want to leave all the sudden their services are meaningless and the clan wants the gear back to benefit themselves even further? That sounds fairly selfish on the clans behalf.
The whole mindset of “you must return gear when you leave” is a bunch of bs made up by clans to help preserve their power.
And yea, players should be able to sell the gear they earned freely. Not only does it help the ingame economy massively, but it also provides a sense of ownership. You feel less like clan property.
Thats each to his own. I dont really care anymore when players leave clan with gear and do whatever cus its wasted effort to chase them. Players in clan who dont return gear and hoard/sell, thats already against the rules, and they'll find themselves out. But it doesnt matter, u join a clan with rules, follow the rules.
When u dont enjoy Celtic Heroes anymore, do u sell ur toons and gear for real life money and leave? Why not? U worked hard for them right? But no, cus Celtic Heroes has terms of service, and u will get banned for that. And if u dont get banned, the buyer will get banned, if u still support someone else getting banned for ur misdeeds, that shows the selfishness.
It’s not about breaking the rules. Rules are rules and we all get that. Questioning the logic behind those rules is completely different.
VR doesn’t allow selling accounts or account sharing because it’s a way for someone to cheat the game. They want you to do it the intended way. They also want you to use your own resources to build your own character. Simple business practice. Buying/selling gear is nothing along those lines. There is no right or wrong way to obtain gear as long as it’s done legitimately. Whether that’s through spending your own hard earned gold, farming from a boss, or getting from your clan. The fact that players try to dictate what happens with gear is wrong in my eyes and is why myself and many many others are enjoying Epona so much. It’s why Epona is so well off while other servers are falling downward
Ascension has the no selling gear policy.
It's not that the clan "owns" it, but it is a group effort to obtain it and it's about helping your fellow clannies vs making a profit.
Lets use me for an example: I show up and win a rogue drop, but there's several other rogues there that also put in the time and effort to come .. so if I get that upgrade, of course I'm going to hand in the the old gear for another rogue to also get an upgrade. It's about strengthening the clan as whole. I wouldn't sell it to another clan member either because I got it only because those same people showed up and helped kill the boss to begin with.
As long as someone is in clan they're expected to follow the rules and not sell inside our outside the clan. Clans with these rules don't believe in people using everyone's hard work to make profit when it could freely go to another member that can put it to use.
One person won a helm and sold it off within an hour for hunter fashion. The other people that attended could have benefitted from the upgrade and were furious and rightly so .. you don't take a drop you don't need to expand your fashion collection. Especially when you wouldn't even have that drop in the first place if it wasn't for a collective group of people working together.
Of course the no selling outside rule exists so gear stays within the clan that worked for gear.
This is both to make sure gear stays on clan members and to maintain a strength position. You don't want to weaken your own clan and strengthen the competition on a competitive server. FYI our competition also follows the same rules and don't sell their gear either. If they did it would make it harder to compete with us.
If someone leaves clan with their gear - we don't ask for it back, even if they go to the competition. If they scammed it (secret alts from banned members for example) then they will get harassed. If they sell clan gear once outside clan they probably won't be accepted back in to win even more gear. Although it's happened before more than I care to admit.