Meck wrote: Eragon123 wrote:
Meck wrote:Actually VR do not aim to include an open beta, they plan to make the update live once closed beta and bugs have been fixed
Hmm, I don't recall seeing an admin post that.
Regardless, if they aren't currently planning on doing an open beta, then it means that the closed beta has been successful enough to make an open beta simply a waste of time. If so, that's awesome - it means that VR picked their testers well, and we also get the update at least 1-2 weeks earlier than if there were an open beta.
In response to your other post:
I would agree that players who aren't very active on the normal forums could very likely be active in the beta. However, that's not really the point.
The point is that VR handpicked the small group, and the only way they know the players is via in-game (secretly, and less likely) or through the forums. If you don't use the forums, VR isn't likely to pick you because they don't know anything about you. It's not the best process, I agree, but it's the only way for VR to target players with the qualities they are looking for.
Understandable but surely they can look back at past beta tests when it comes to the players putting in the work and effort, when it came to past betas the old mods such as muldar put me in those betas bc of what i contributed to the test, although I know VR knows nothing about that but its kind of unfair to just forget all those that did a good job in betas and go off who is active and rank they are on the forums instead no matter what theyre like in game. If VR wanted to make it more fair I dont see why they couldnt let people apply for a closed beta and make it an actual application where the player has to give 300+ worlds and descirbe why they want to be in the beta and the skills they will bring to the beta, along with taking in the players gear, skills and knowledge about bossing along with also accepting some of the lower tier players which could be some off the forums or in game to test lower tier things. I agree that VR may do things differently next time but all im trying to do is give ideas incase they do help at all.
Top tier gear does not make someone a good beta tester. If anything if everyone goes in full godly it’s awful for the tests because it is no where near what a live server environment is like.
Why I went in with dl offhand and no Gele rings on my mage rather than borrow gear (new server new toon, rip my DPS).
And they asked for nominations within a closed group to find people who the community said worked well in past tests. This beta was meant to be small for reasons as difinitus said so they didn’t take everyone that was recommended but only those of playstyles and classes they needed.
We have a lot of dps rogues in beta and even though your good you just didn’t make the lottery among all the other rogues who were great testers as well like toothpick etc. the other thing is they want to balance out how many come from each server or I’m sure so no one server dominates beta.
I do agree an application would have been nice, but at the end of the day beta is about communicating directly with the developers, and if you aren’t on the forums they don’t know who you are and you don’t know who they are. Forum rank and post number are meaningless, lots in beta have post counts below 200, but their post content is extremely specific and well done and that’s what I’m sure got them in, that and other community forum involvement such as pming developers.
Beta is a community event and at the end of the day participation in that community should be a prerequisite just for the fact that it cuts down on a lot of the background process because everyone knows each other, how they play, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and we can just jump right in.
Sorry you didn’t make the cut, but complaining about how you don’t have time to be active on the forums, on the forums isn’t helping the process...
Nor is saying that “you are the best rogue” over and over again.
Like I said, plenty are amazing at this game, and when the beta needs to be small for certain reasons some can’t get in and the developers need to pick some and toss others. Who they know and who t$37 have seen is a good way for them to make that decision.
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