Re: Rogue or Warrior (End Game) Pls Help
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:52 am
Rogue is unrivaled best dps equally geared on all raids
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Not on Necro. You’d always see dps warriors getting kills over rogues (when there aren’t any good rangers) on necro, mostly because of his immunity to psn dmg I believe which takes away arguably the best skill for the rogue. A well geared warrior with full dg can definitely rival well geared rogues with dg on necro, given that slash lure is present of course. Other than that yea. Rogues dominate over warriors in all of carrowmore (besides 200 spider), Hrung, edls, arcane, and cg.Rogue is unrivaled best dps equally geared on all raids
Sigh, warriors ask to lose survivability for more dps and as of right now we lose massive amounts of survivability in order to be considered good dps (don't speak on something you don't even know about) rangers have better survivability than a warrior because of the range, rogues have a tad less survivability because warriors tend to have higher health because of DG giving warriors Vitality. We also ask for gear to be fixed to actually go with the skills we use. Giant swing is in our DG aura and on our only dps offhand. Fixing those small things aren't going to make warriors unrivaled best DPS. Rogues are the best DPS class in the game, all classes should be balanced as DPS and that isn't even close to how this game is.Not on Necro. You’d always see dps warriors getting kills over rogues (when there aren’t any good rangers) on necro, mostly because of his immunity to psn dmg I believe which takes away arguably the best skill for the rogue. A well geared warrior with full dg can definitely rival well geared rogues with dg on necro, given that slash lure is present of course. Other than that yea. Rogues dominate over warriors in all of carrowmore (besides 200 spider), Hrung, edls, arcane, and cg.Rogue is unrivaled best dps equally geared on all raids
I think warriors are fine as they are. Not too op to the point where they’re out dpsing equally geared rogues/rangers left and right but can still dish out good dmg, which balances well with their survivability/tanking ability. I do think they shouldn’t be receiving more dps capabilities. You always see dps warriors crying for more and more, but when you give more and more to a perfectly fine class you’ll start to see an unfair balance that favors warriors... it’ll be pre Dragonfire update all over again with warriors sitting on top mostly unrivaled... they’ll become the new rogue because who wouldn’t want to be a class that has both the best survivablity and dps. Not to mention they’ll be even more broken if VR ever decides to make more PvP content.
The point is that the warrior has the highest survivability out of any class. Yes rangers have range but when put into a situation up close (which happens often), they’re not so great. Plus the rangers range won’t keep you safe from geles AoEs, bt roots AoE, and the cloaks on both prot and bt which rangers suffer heavily from as they they rely so much on autos. Warriors are generally hp heavy when compared with other classes as their gear favors hp... which means more survivability than other classes, which is why they tend to have weaker dps than rogues and rangers. If warriors can out dps pure dps classes then there’s a problem. If all classes were balanced dps wise than everyone would go warrior and you’ll have the same issue there is now with rogues. The only balancing this game needs is balancing between classes when it comes to leveling (specifically rangers/Druids), not at the endgame level.Sigh, warriors ask to lose survivability for more dps and as of right now we lose massive amounts of survivability in order to be considered good dps (don't speak on something you don't even know about) rangers have better survivability than a warrior because of the range, rogues have a tad less survivability because warriors tend to have higher health because of DG giving warriors Vitality. We also ask for gear to be fixed to actually go with the skills we use. Giant swing is in our DG aura and on our only dps offhand. Fixing those small things aren't going to make warriors unrivaled best DPS. Rogues are the best DPS class in the game, all classes should be balanced as DPS and that isn't even close to how this game is.
My full DPS warrior runs 6k HP. Would be probably closer to 7k with full DG. Seems to be a common misconception that warriors have a ton of HP even as full DPS. Sure you can equip DPS gear that will net you more vit and hp but then you aren't reaching your full potential of DPS. The only advantage a warrior gets over a rogue and ranger when it comes to survivability is a little bit more hp, something they can get just as well while still having the same DPS of a warrior if not a little better.The point is that the warrior has the highest survivability out of any class. Yes rangers have range but when put into a situation up close (which happens often), they’re not so great. Plus the rangers range won’t keep you safe from geles AoEs, bt roots AoE, and the cloaks on both prot and bt which rangers suffer heavily from as they they rely so much on autos. Warriors are generally hp heavy when compared with other classes as their gear favors hp... which means more survivability than other classes, which is why they tend to have weaker dps than rogues and rangers. If warriors can out dps pure dps classes then there’s a problem. If all classes were balanced dps wise than everyone would go warrior and you’ll have the same issue there is now with rogues. The only balancing this game needs is balancing between classes when it comes to leveling (specifically rangers/Druids), not at the endgame level.Sigh, warriors ask to lose survivability for more dps and as of right now we lose massive amounts of survivability in order to be considered good dps (don't speak on something you don't even know about) rangers have better survivability than a warrior because of the range, rogues have a tad less survivability because warriors tend to have higher health because of DG giving warriors Vitality. We also ask for gear to be fixed to actually go with the skills we use. Giant swing is in our DG aura and on our only dps offhand. Fixing those small things aren't going to make warriors unrivaled best DPS. Rogues are the best DPS class in the game, all classes should be balanced as DPS and that isn't even close to how this game is.
I agree the offhand for warriors should boost pummel, but the giant swing on dg makes sense. Imagine how op it would be if it were rupture.. rupture is already imo one of the best melee skills in the game. Instead of completely avoiding giant swing VR should simply fix the skill so people will use.. like buff the damage and then make it unavoidable like sneaky.
And yes I do know what I’m talking about. Understanding how things work/are in this game is not rocket science. It’s a very simple MMO that does not require much thought.
7k hp with full dg is pretty good lol, especially when you look at the noob curry who has 3k hp when full dps lmao. That extra hp helps to survive through multiple AoEs or get those extra hits in when cloaks are up.My full DPS warrior runs 6k HP. Would be probably closer to 7k with full DG. Seems to be a common misconception that warriors have a ton of HP even as full DPS. Sure you can equip DPS gear that will net you more vit and hp but then you aren't reaching your full potential of DPS. The only advantage a warrior gets over a rogue and ranger when it comes to survivability is a little bit more hp, something they can get just as well while still having the same DPS of a warrior if not a little better.The point is that the warrior has the highest survivability out of any class. Yes rangers have range but when put into a situation up close (which happens often), they’re not so great. Plus the rangers range won’t keep you safe from geles AoEs, bt roots AoE, and the cloaks on both prot and bt which rangers suffer heavily from as they they rely so much on autos. Warriors are generally hp heavy when compared with other classes as their gear favors hp... which means more survivability than other classes, which is why they tend to have weaker dps than rogues and rangers. If warriors can out dps pure dps classes then there’s a problem. If all classes were balanced dps wise than everyone would go warrior and you’ll have the same issue there is now with rogues. The only balancing this game needs is balancing between classes when it comes to leveling (specifically rangers/Druids), not at the endgame level.Sigh, warriors ask to lose survivability for more dps and as of right now we lose massive amounts of survivability in order to be considered good dps (don't speak on something you don't even know about) rangers have better survivability than a warrior because of the range, rogues have a tad less survivability because warriors tend to have higher health because of DG giving warriors Vitality. We also ask for gear to be fixed to actually go with the skills we use. Giant swing is in our DG aura and on our only dps offhand. Fixing those small things aren't going to make warriors unrivaled best DPS. Rogues are the best DPS class in the game, all classes should be balanced as DPS and that isn't even close to how this game is.
I agree the offhand for warriors should boost pummel, but the giant swing on dg makes sense. Imagine how op it would be if it were rupture.. rupture is already imo one of the best melee skills in the game. Instead of completely avoiding giant swing VR should simply fix the skill so people will use.. like buff the damage and then make it unavoidable like sneaky.
And yes I do know what I’m talking about. Understanding how things work/are in this game is not rocket science. It’s a very simple MMO that does not require much thought.
Rupture is a great skill but is definitely not a warriors best DPS skill for most bosses. Until DoTs stack then it will always be second to pummel or of course if your lucky enough to be the only warrior using rupture at a boss.
Curry is a noob who literally only stacks damage and attack while neglecting HP lol. He's in my clan and I talk to him about stuff all the time. He could easily give up a small bit of damage and attack to massively increase his HP but refuses to.7k hp with full dg is pretty good lol, especially when you look at the noob curry who has 3k hp when full dps lmao. That extra hp helps to survive through multiple AoEs or get those extra hits in when cloaks are up.My full DPS warrior runs 6k HP. Would be probably closer to 7k with full DG. Seems to be a common misconception that warriors have a ton of HP even as full DPS. Sure you can equip DPS gear that will net you more vit and hp but then you aren't reaching your full potential of DPS. The only advantage a warrior gets over a rogue and ranger when it comes to survivability is a little bit more hp, something they can get just as well while still having the same DPS of a warrior if not a little better.The point is that the warrior has the highest survivability out of any class. Yes rangers have range but when put into a situation up close (which happens often), they’re not so great. Plus the rangers range won’t keep you safe from geles AoEs, bt roots AoE, and the cloaks on both prot and bt which rangers suffer heavily from as they they rely so much on autos. Warriors are generally hp heavy when compared with other classes as their gear favors hp... which means more survivability than other classes, which is why they tend to have weaker dps than rogues and rangers. If warriors can out dps pure dps classes then there’s a problem. If all classes were balanced dps wise than everyone would go warrior and you’ll have the same issue there is now with rogues. The only balancing this game needs is balancing between classes when it comes to leveling (specifically rangers/Druids), not at the endgame level.
I agree the offhand for warriors should boost pummel, but the giant swing on dg makes sense. Imagine how op it would be if it were rupture.. rupture is already imo one of the best melee skills in the game. Instead of completely avoiding giant swing VR should simply fix the skill so people will use.. like buff the damage and then make it unavoidable like sneaky.
And yes I do know what I’m talking about. Understanding how things work/are in this game is not rocket science. It’s a very simple MMO that does not require much thought.
Rupture is a great skill but is definitely not a warriors best DPS skill for most bosses. Until DoTs stack then it will always be second to pummel or of course if your lucky enough to be the only warrior using rupture at a boss.
Rupture on its own is what I meant. There was never that many dps warriors on belenus so overlapping ruptures never seemed to be a problem.