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Re: Need advice on str usage

#11
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Dark Kitty wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:Some rangers like using the more DEX based skills, not to mention sharpshot which every ranger uses, so DEX is a good option early on till you arrive at full time raiding where it's better to go hybrid.

Yep dex is better early but once you start raiding then str build is much better. When you use dex you are getting defense which is pretty useless. But early on before bossing having defense is good.

Most end game raid bosses have extremely high defences, and high physical damage resists, so full STR does not give you as much DPS output compared to hybrid builds.

DEX also gives you attack which you can never have too much of, and STR scales off as well.

Prot is the only end game raid where full STR reaps you dividends because of the insanely low physical resists and lower defences.
this.

At end game a dex ranger will beat a str ranger 9/10 times. Dex may boost defence which is useless but it also boosts attack not to mention EVERY stat based skill. (Dbl shot isnt directly affected by str or dex, only indirectly boosted by str). Physical damage (str boosts this) is also the most heavily resisted damage at end game in most cases.

Str rangers were the meta pre tower when ranger skills were broken and totally useless. A lot of rangers still think full str is the best build without having actually tested or experienced the effects of dex. Now that the dex skills were buffed and with bosses having such high defence the need for dex has drastically increased.
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Re: Need advice on str usage

#12
Ventius wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Dark Kitty wrote:Yep dex is better early but once you start raiding then str build is much better. When you use dex you are getting defense which is pretty useless. But early on before bossing having defense is good.

Most end game raid bosses have extremely high defences, and high physical damage resists, so full STR does not give you as much DPS output compared to hybrid builds.

DEX also gives you attack which you can never have too much of, and STR scales off as well.

Prot is the only end game raid where full STR reaps you dividends because of the insanely low physical resists and lower defences.
this.

At end game a dex ranger will beat a str ranger 9/10 times. Dex may boost defence which is useless but it also boosts attack not to mention EVERY stat based skill. (Dbl shot isnt directly affected by str or dex, only indirectly boosted by str). Physical damage (str boosts this) is also the most heavily resisted damage at end game in most cases.

Str rangers were the meta pre tower when ranger skills were broken and totally useless. A lot of rangers still think full str is the best build without having actually tested or experienced the effects of dex. Now that the dex skills were buffed and with bosses having such high defence the need for dex has drastically increased.

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Re: Need advice on str usage

#13
Ventius wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Dark Kitty wrote:Yep dex is better early but once you start raiding then str build is much better. When you use dex you are getting defense which is pretty useless. But early on before bossing having defense is good.

Most end game raid bosses have extremely high defences, and high physical damage resists, so full STR does not give you as much DPS output compared to hybrid builds.

DEX also gives you attack which you can never have too much of, and STR scales off as well.

Prot is the only end game raid where full STR reaps you dividends because of the insanely low physical resists and lower defences.
this.

At end game a dex ranger will beat a str ranger 9/10 times. Dex may boost defence which is useless but it also boosts attack not to mention EVERY stat based skill. (Dbl shot isnt directly affected by str or dex, only indirectly boosted by str). Physical damage (str boosts this) is also the most heavily resisted damage at end game in most cases.

Str rangers were the meta pre tower when ranger skills were broken and totally useless. A lot of rangers still think full str is the best build without having actually tested or experienced the effects of dex. Now that the dex skills were buffed and with bosses having such high defence the need for dex has drastically increased.


I try telling people the same stuff and they call me stupid lol. Strength rangers are excellent for dual logging if that's not your main.
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Re: Need advice on str usage

#14
Mdunc1982 wrote:
Ventius wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:Most end game raid bosses have extremely high defences, and high physical damage resists, so full STR does not give you as much DPS output compared to hybrid builds.

DEX also gives you attack which you can never have too much of, and STR scales off as well.

Prot is the only end game raid where full STR reaps you dividends because of the insanely low physical resists and lower defences.
this.

At end game a dex ranger will beat a str ranger 9/10 times. Dex may boost defence which is useless but it also boosts attack not to mention EVERY stat based skill. (Dbl shot isnt directly affected by str or dex, only indirectly boosted by str). Physical damage (str boosts this) is also the most heavily resisted damage at end game in most cases.

Str rangers were the meta pre tower when ranger skills were broken and totally useless. A lot of rangers still think full str is the best build without having actually tested or experienced the effects of dex. Now that the dex skills were buffed and with bosses having such high defence the need for dex has drastically increased.


I try telling people the same stuff and they call me stupid lol. Strength rangers are excellent for dual logging if that's not your main.
an afk dex or hybrid ranger beats an afk str ranger. Why auto another 20 damage with 500 str when you can hit another 3-5 autos per 100 with an extra 500 dex. Even afk dual logging rangers still cast sharpen and steady so it is still superior to a str ranger in this case
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Re: Need advice on str usage

#15
Ventius wrote:
Mdunc1982 wrote:
Ventius wrote:this.

At end game a dex ranger will beat a str ranger 9/10 times. Dex may boost defence which is useless but it also boosts attack not to mention EVERY stat based skill. (Dbl shot isnt directly affected by str or dex, only indirectly boosted by str). Physical damage (str boosts this) is also the most heavily resisted damage at end game in most cases.

Str rangers were the meta pre tower when ranger skills were broken and totally useless. A lot of rangers still think full str is the best build without having actually tested or experienced the effects of dex. Now that the dex skills were buffed and with bosses having such high defence the need for dex has drastically increased.


I try telling people the same stuff and they call me stupid lol. Strength rangers are excellent for dual logging if that's not your main.
an afk dex or hybrid ranger beats an afk str ranger. Why auto another 20 damage with 500 str when you can hit another 3-5 autos per 100 with an extra 500 dex. Even afk dual logging rangers still cast sharpen and steady so it is still superior to a str ranger in this case


Didn't know that, I went with what I was told. I main a rogue so I use mostly Dex, and vit with enough str so sutos aren't trash.
Brevity is the soul of wit so i will talk your ears off.

Re: Need advice on str usage

#16
Mdunc1982 wrote:
Ventius wrote:
Mdunc1982 wrote:
I try telling people the same stuff and they call me stupid lol. Strength rangers are excellent for dual logging if that's not your main.
an afk dex or hybrid ranger beats an afk str ranger. Why auto another 20 damage with 500 str when you can hit another 3-5 autos per 100 with an extra 500 dex. Even afk dual logging rangers still cast sharpen and steady so it is still superior to a str ranger in this case


Didn't know that, I went with what I was told. I main a rogue so I use mostly Dex, and vit with enough str so sutos aren't trash.

Wouldn't rogues be better off going with more STR because their top skills are STR based?
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Re: Need advice on str usage

#17
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Mdunc1982 wrote:
Ventius wrote:an afk dex or hybrid ranger beats an afk str ranger. Why auto another 20 damage with 500 str when you can hit another 3-5 autos per 100 with an extra 500 dex. Even afk dual logging rangers still cast sharpen and steady so it is still superior to a str ranger in this case


Didn't know that, I went with what I was told. I main a rogue so I use mostly Dex, and vit with enough str so sutos aren't trash.

Wouldn't rogues be better off going with more STR because their top skills are STR based?


Not at low to mid level in my opinion. You wouldn't out lock someone as much with high Dex on low lvl dl and frozen. Beyond that I'm really not sure as I'm not high level at the moment I just know nobody has been able to out lock much on 4 or 5 star bosses.
Brevity is the soul of wit so i will talk your ears off.

Re: Need advice on str usage

#18
Mdunc1982 wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Mdunc1982 wrote:
Didn't know that, I went with what I was told. I main a rogue so I use mostly Dex, and vit with enough str so sutos aren't trash.

Wouldn't rogues be better off going with more STR because their top skills are STR based?


Not at low to mid level in my opinion. You wouldn't out lock someone as much with high Dex on low lvl dl and frozen. Beyond that I'm really not sure as I'm not high level at the moment I just know nobody has been able to out lock much on 4 or 5 star bosses.

You're correct. I was assuming end game rogue.
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Re: Need advice on str usage

#19
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Mdunc1982 wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:Wouldn't rogues be better off going with more STR because their top skills are STR based?


Not at low to mid level in my opinion. You wouldn't out lock someone as much with high Dex on low lvl dl and frozen. Beyond that I'm really not sure as I'm not high level at the moment I just know nobody has been able to out lock much on 4 or 5 star bosses.

You're correct. I was assuming end game rogue.


Sorry but I like reply here people made
My question is I am thinking of making ranger, so 2dex 1str 1 vit work?
And at what point I should stop str and vit ?
And which skill to choose ?
Most solo lvling waiting for reply thanks for reading :)
Or should I made a new thread ?

Re: Need advice on str usage

#20
gamerhellborn wrote:
LeGenDzZ wrote:
Mdunc1982 wrote:
Not at low to mid level in my opinion. You wouldn't out lock someone as much with high Dex on low lvl dl and frozen. Beyond that I'm really not sure as I'm not high level at the moment I just know nobody has been able to out lock much on 4 or 5 star bosses.

You're correct. I was assuming end game rogue.


Sorry but I like reply here people made
My question is I am thinking of making ranger, so 2dex 1str 1 vit work?
And at what point I should stop str and vit ?
And which skill to choose ?
Most solo lvling waiting for reply thanks for reading :)
Or should I made a new thread ?

Read the guides posted on here for skills and builds, if they leave you unsatisfied then make a new thread with your personalized questions showing gear and more detail.
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