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so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:47 pm
by bob the mage
Earlier this month Apple released new guidelines for In-App Purchases (IAP's) stating that loot box odds need to be disclosed among some other changes. This caught on fire on the forums until it was randomly moved to off-topic, even though the entire thread was entirely topical to the game, it discussed what possible effects the drop rates being disclosed could have in game, sparked curiosity about drop rates leading for example, to goodies simulator, and it also consisted of players asking when OTM plans on releasing the drop rates.
I heard a rumor recently that OTM was intentionally moving the threads to off topic in hopes the issue fades away so that they don't need to disclose, arguing that Apple's new rules don't apply to them. This seemed silly to me, how could the rules now apply? The chests are clearly loot boxes, and there aren't any loopholes in Apple's new rules, so how could they not apply? The last part of the rumor I heard was that OTM if pressured, by apple I assume, would release phony odds. Personally, I don't get what all this hush-hush about the odds is, as was already well proved in the other two forum threads on this, even if the odds were horrific, for example worse than goodies listed odds, players would still buy chests.
All the odds do is give a rough idea what players are buying.

So... OTM...I don't want to believe the rumor I have heard because it doesn't make sense to me why a company would panic and risk ignoring rules from their largest market over something as small as drop rates for loot boxes or chests or whatever you want to call them. So... when are the drop rates being released?

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:02 pm
by Kril
I am sure OTM is determining the best way to approach this.

It may not be a simple thing to even determine accurate rates, as they are probably based on complex formulas, and the resulting rates would need to be figured by analyzing a sufficient amount of historical data, averaged across all servers.
You would probably need at least a year's worth of historical data for each item (without the formula having been adjusted at all) to be able to provide a reasonably accurate number.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:04 pm
by bob the mage
Kril wrote:I am sure OTM is determining the best way to approach this.

It may not be a simple thing to even determine accurate rates, as they are probably based on complex formulas, and the resulting rates would need to be figured by analyzing a sufficient amount of historical data, averaged across all servers.
You would probably need at least a year's worth of historical data for each item (without the formula having been adjusted at all) to be able to provide a reasonably accurate number.

Considering other formulas used in the game I doubt that this is the case, most likely it is just probability, this is how loot chests are in every single other game anyways.
The “rumor” I have heard says that this is intentional as well, and the “rumor” hasn’t been wrong so far...

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:06 pm
by Muldar
Afraid to say it’s nothing quite as nefarious as the rumours imagine, the developer guideline update is being internally reviewed and we are working towards the next client update.

Topics were moved to Off Topic as we tend to keep General Discussions to game discussion only. While I agree premium chests can be a game discussion the updating of an Apple developer guideline however is not.

Also no, there won’t be “phony odds” pretty ridiculous the notion of hiding the statistics from a publisher.

We will be providing updates to the topic when required in the future.

Cheers

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:09 pm
by Zkills
I got you otm

Drop Rates:
eggs are super rare
Lixs r common
Pots n idols r common
Aeon fashion is somewhat rare but not completely rare
Mounts r rare
Tokens are commonly rare
Event bardings are rarely common

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:11 pm
by Spaceman
I can tell you the drop rates, low to bad. Lol if you buy chests just to get one certain item, you are nuts or rich. However if you want ressurection idols, fashion tokens and a smaller bank account have at it. I try buying the items I want from other players. Love the game but know better after playing long enuff you have a better or similar chance of winning the lottery than pulling a bunch of killer items from the chests.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:29 pm
by Shivahh
Just grab bitey's chest simulator odds :lol:

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:38 pm
by Zyz
Lol, rumors. That made me laugh. My students tell me rumors all the time. And most... Almost all turn out to be...

I heard from a guy who knows a guy whose uncle's cousin's nephew's sister's dad that he knows a woman whose brother's third removed aunt's aunt that dated Muldar said they were gonna hire someone to spread rumors.

Where's Bitey to post the scene of "we want the truth!" "you can't handle the truth!"

Eggs are prob like . 000001-100%

I'm actually confused on drop rates. If 2 people only open 1 chest and each gets a dragon egg, would that be a 100% drop rate?

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:42 pm
by Furyion
Zyz wrote:I'm actually confused on drop rates. If 2 people only open 1 chest and each gets a dragon egg, would that be a 100% drop rate?

Kind of.

In your example 100% of people who opened chests have gotten an egg(stats). But the chance of getting an egg is not 100%(drop rate).

You could call both cases a drop rate, but it is more accurate to say statistically how many people have gotten eggs, and the hardcoded drop % separately.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:55 pm
by Zkills
Zyz wrote:Lol, rumors. That made me laugh. My students tell me rumors all the time. And most... Almost all turn out to be...

I heard from a guy who knows a guy whose uncle's cousin's nephew's sister's dad that he knows a woman whose brother's third removed aunt's aunt that dated Muldar said they were gonna hire someone to spread rumors.

Where's Bitey to post the scene of "we want the truth!" "you can't handle the truth!"

Eggs are prob like . 000001-100%

I'm actually confused on drop rates. If 2 people only open 1 chest and each gets a dragon egg, would that be a 100% drop rate?

Muldar went on a date?????