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Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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Gustafmax wrote:Which is better for a level 229 Druid with 2600 in forcus? The critical advantage of the dragon or the extra focus of the Phoenix? Do they both give about the same amount of damage?


There's no ciritical advantage comes with dragon.

Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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I think critical skills increases your chances of criting and critical strike increases how high you can crit for. So let's say your skill base dmg 5000 and without a drag you crit for like 8000 max, critical strike could increase that to where your hitting between 9000-10000 more often instead of 8000 max. That's just my guess. As for pheonix vs dragon, I'm gonna guess that a dragon would be better because the only advantage the pheonix has over a drag is increased focus and a lure ability. The focus isn't much of an advantage compared to an increase chance of crits and crit dmg. The lure isn't an adavantage anymore if someone else at the boss is using a pheonix and you have a dragon of the same dmg type(that actually benefits you more on top of the fact that the dragons skill dmg is much more than the pheonixes dmg). Simple comparison would be two fire mages with the same gear, skill setup, and skill use rotation. If the crit abitility boosts give the advantage that they are suppose to, the mage with the dragon will out dps the one with the pheonix.

Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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Lvl 6 drag maxes around 1950 dmg every 15s
Lvl 6 Phoenix maxes at around 1300 dmg every 25s
Phoenix also gives a -400 (elemental) lure for 15sec upon cast. The lure doesn’t change per ability but the dmg does.
Red Phoenix lure is -267.

For caster I’d go with the Phoenix always because of the lure since it helps everyone for a small personal dps trade off.
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Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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F0SSIL wrote:I think critical skills increases your chances of criting and critical strike increases how high you can crit for. So let's say your skill base dmg 5000 and without a drag you crit for like 8000 max, critical strike could increase that to where your hitting between 9000-10000 more often instead of 8000 max. That's just my guess. As for pheonix vs dragon, I'm gonna guess that a dragon would be better because the only advantage the pheonix has over a drag is increased focus and a lure ability. The focus isn't much of an advantage compared to an increase chance of crits and crit dmg. The lure isn't an adavantage anymore if someone else at the boss is using a pheonix and you have a dragon of the same dmg type(that actually benefits you more on top of the fact that the dragons skill dmg is much more than the pheonixes dmg). Simple comparison would be two fire mages with the same gear, skill setup, and skill use rotation. If the crit abitility boosts give the advantage that they are suppose to, the mage with the dragon will out dps the one with the pheonix.


Critical skills = skills hits
Critical strike = auto attack hits

Apples-Bele wrote:For caster I’d go with the Phoenix always because of the lure since it helps everyone for a small personal dps trade off.


Agree :)
RoyalBratt ~ 229 Ice Mage

Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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I am an ice Mage with a level 6 blue Phoenix and I haven't regretted it. From a DPS stand point the Boost from the dragon will often slightly top out the Boost from the Phoenix from DPS perspective although the way that criticals work can be confusing and difficult to test. One thing to note is that if people say that increasing that rating has no effect that all on the number of times that you land critical Hits it's probably because of the way they structured their tests. It is true that it will not change the amount of course you do on another player or on a training dummy where as it will change the number that you're likely to do on the majority of the things that you do fight. Either one works well, but for me personally at the Phoenix definitely fit my playstyle better. Do you focus and vitality boost was kind of nice and the lure to combine with aoe from blast is small but I really do enjoy it :)
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Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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RoyalBratt wrote:
F0SSIL wrote:I think critical skills increases your chances of criting and critical strike increases how high you can crit for. So let's say your skill base dmg 5000 and without a drag you crit for like 8000 max, critical strike could increase that to where your hitting between 9000-10000 more often instead of 8000 max. That's just my guess. As for pheonix vs dragon, I'm gonna guess that a dragon would be better because the only advantage the pheonix has over a drag is increased focus and a lure ability. The focus isn't much of an advantage compared to an increase chance of crits and crit dmg. The lure isn't an adavantage anymore if someone else at the boss is using a pheonix and you have a dragon of the same dmg type(that actually benefits you more on top of the fact that the dragons skill dmg is much more than the pheonixes dmg). Simple comparison would be two fire mages with the same gear, skill setup, and skill use rotation. If the crit abitility boosts give the advantage that they are suppose to, the mage with the dragon will out dps the one with the pheonix.


Critical skills = skills hits
Critical strike = auto attack hits

Apples-Bele wrote:For caster I’d go with the Phoenix always because of the lure since it helps everyone for a small personal dps trade off.


Agree :)

How critical strike being auto crit flew over my head idk lmao.

Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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Personal DPS aspect: Dragon>Phoenix
Clan/Group DPS aspect: Phoenix>Dragon


That should answer ur question. From there its a matter of choice.
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Re: Dragon or Phoenix??

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Late to this thread, but standard idea is:
-) if your focus is top DPS, dragon and let someone else do lures and Phoenix
-) if your focus is a more balanced/independent playstyle then do Phoenix.

Both are good, but for different play styles and circumstances, there isn’t an all around “best” pet.
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