Celtic Heroes

During beta I started a discussion about drop rates. Muldar had previously told me the OTM does not publish or announce the rates. Likely so that they can change them at will. That puts us the buyer at a disadvantage as we are buying blindly. I preferred that a good egg drop rate would be 1/200 chests, or needing 1200 chests to get a full mount. Further I said that a 1/300; that is 1800 chests is acceptable but the outside limit. The initial reports were not good. Unfortunately many players don’t want to say that they bought thousands of chests to get the egg they got. BUT then there were reports of this guy and that guy getting 2 or 3 eggs with limited chests. Encouraging. I just opened 1500 chests with zero eggs. Others are reporting 1/1500 or similarly low rate. Let’s say the rate is 1/1000, that means on average it will take 6000 chests to get a full dragon. Do the math.

I did get the max 2m gold from one chest, so can I complain? I mean that’s worth like half an egg on Danu. I am worried beyond the drop rate, that there are other unrevealed criteria in the drop formula, as the drop differences between players seems outside the realm of statistical randomness.

Luckily I do need the lix.

Can't wait for the rising tide of legislation designating these loot boxes as gambling.

Edit: Speaking of

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vg247 ... oxes/amp/

Nah. Let the people with disposable income and want to spend it on ingame purchases do so. I'm sure this was started by some dude that couldn't afford some super Uber cool cash only obtainable item and was angry and jealous of the people that can.

I am worried beyond the drop rate, that there are other unrevealed criteria in the drop formula, as the drop differences between players seems outside the realm of statistical randomness.

This.
Please don't be shy of openly suspecting that OTM is manipulating drop rates, for fear that you might lose your forum account. People need to speak up. This has happened in other games. In this case, setting low drop rates for the whales, and much higher drop rates for the casual payers. When these casual payers do get their dragons, they would be so excited about it and start screaming in game chat and forum. This will EGG the whales on (pun intended).

The present OTM may not be the one you knew before. But should be fundamentally the same as before when it comes to learning what other games do.

Not exactly sure what all the fuss is about. The dragon eggs are a jackpot prize, as stated in the patch notes. By the sound of things, the drop rate is higher than the other jackpot prizes of 2mil gold and 4k plat.
You wouldn't go to a Vegas casino, play the slots 1500 times, then complain to the management that you didn't win the jackpot. So why feel that it is OK to do so here. I don't know, you all complain to OTM when things aren't rare enough, now you're all complaining because the eggs are too rare. I can't be bothered to check past posts, but it'd be interesting to see how many people complaining in this post also complained that the Aeon fashion drops weren't rare enough.

Not exactly sure what all the fuss is about. The dragon eggs are a jackpot prize, as stated in the patch notes. By the sound of things, the drop rate is higher than the other jackpot prizes of 2mil gold and 4k plat.
You wouldn't go to a Vegas casino, play the slots 1500 times, then complain to the management that you didn't win the jackpot. So why feel that it is OK to do so here. I don't know, you all complain to OTM when things aren't rare enough, now you're all complaining because the eggs are too rare. I can't be bothered to check past posts, but it'd be interesting to see how many people complaining in this post also complained that the Aeon fashion drops weren't rare enough.

Jackpot prize in Vegas is not something you would ever plan on hitting 6 Times in a lifetime. But that’s what you are saying in your analogy with the fact that there is 6 evolutions of the dragon.

My question is simply this, is the fact that a lot of people are experiencing a ratio of 1:1000+ chests what OTM expected- if so, fine, not the best Long term decision a business could make . If not then please fix it and find some way to compensate those that have opened thousands of chests only to not find the lucky prize.

In america there are laws against what you are referring to, and if not careful then OTM might be crossing some laws they don’t want to infringe upon. At this point, and considering the reference you made, the chest and dragon hatchling egg hunt is closing in on the area of what is called a lottery. Three things, according to law definition, must transpire, to classify as a lottery. 1) prize - in this case the egg, 2) chance - umm 1:1000 that’s chance, 3) consideration - people forkihg over hundreds of dollars to buy more chances at this is definitely a consideration.

You are not far off in your Vegas example. But I believe there are a lot of gambling regulations in different countries, provinces, and states; and I’m sure OTM does not want to be involved in any kind of class action litigation.

During beta they said it would be rare but I didn't know they meant this rare lol

Not exactly sure what all the fuss is about. The dragon eggs are a jackpot prize, as stated in the patch notes. By the sound of things, the drop rate is higher than the other jackpot prizes of 2mil gold and 4k plat.
You wouldn't go to a Vegas casino, play the slots 1500 times, then complain to the management that you didn't win the jackpot. So why feel that it is OK to do so here. I don't know, you all complain to OTM when things aren't rare enough, now you're all complaining because the eggs are too rare. I can't be bothered to check past posts, but it'd be interesting to see how many people complaining in this post also complained that the Aeon fashion drops weren't rare enough.

Jackpot prize in Vegas is not something you would ever plan on hitting 6 Times in a lifetime. But that’s what you are saying in your analogy with the fact that there is 6 evolutions of the dragon.

My question is simply this, is the fact that a lot of people are experiencing a ratio of 1:1000+ chests what OTM expected- if so, fine, not the best Long term decision a business could make . If not then please fix it and find some way to compensate those that have opened thousands of chests only to not find the lucky prize.

In america there are laws against what you are referring to, and if not careful then OTM might be crossing some laws they don’t want to infringe upon. At this point, and considering the reference you made, the chest and dragon hatchling egg hunt is closing in on the area of what is called a lottery. Three things, according to law definition, must transpire, to classify as a lottery. 1) prize - in this case the egg, 2) chance - umm 1:1000 that’s chance, 3) consideration - people forkihg over hundreds of dollars to buy more chances at this is definitely a consideration.

You are not far off in your Vegas example. But I believe there are a lot of gambling regulations in different countries, provinces, and states; and I’m sure OTM does not want to be involved in any kind of class action litigation.

You will also see that more and more cases are determining that the opening of chests in games does not constitute gambling as seen by law.
The main argument being that every chest contains a 'prize', so it is seen as a transaction to buy a mystery item or items, rather than straight out gambling or lottery. You lose at gambling or a lottery and you lose your stake. In computer games, you buy a chest and you gain something from that chest. The 'gamble' therefore is to the actual contents.
In your above argument, the law falls down on points 1 and 2. Everyone 'wins a prize', therefore the chance is exactly 1. In lottery and gambling, the law rarely, if at all, considers the chance of hitting a jackpot prize. It is primarily concerned with the overall chance of winning any prize and the percentage of money wagered against money returned as winnings.

All of which still leaves my point completely valid. Dragon eggs are described as a jackpot prize, so why would you expect the drop rate to be significantly less than the other 2 jackpot prizes, irrespective of how many eggs are required to obtain a top tier dragon.

Everyone should have made themselves aware that the eggs are jackpot prizes before deciding to spend the level of money they have been doing. Also, everyone should then have calibrated their expectation levels of drop rates accordingly, based on rates for 4k plat and 2m gold rates.

I opened around 500 and got 1. From what I'm seeing I got extremely lucky. I know this has definatly discouraged me to want to buy plat in future. Honestly I love the look of dragon and dont mind paying what I did to get one. But I don't see how anyone besides the absolute rich are expected to get 6, and by doing that I see this as a predatory attack on whales and others shouldn't even try. If you want to keep it as rare as it is now, make it a max lvl pet already and just call it a legendary pet. Don't expect people to have to hit the jackpot 6 times in order to have a good pet. Next time the majority of people who spent plat this round won't even bother if the rarity stays as absurd as it is now. whales may spend a pretty penny but the rest of the server buying little amounts adds up as well and if we know we are not gonna get money's worth, why bother helping to fund otm to make the game better.

Guy above the above is quite valid too.

But then nobody is 'winning' anything too. All pixels remain property of OTM.

D@mn the lottery laws; shouldn't just place emphasis on prizes. Should be expanded to include consideration of why the app users are parting with their money. But then again this is not within the jurisdiction of game forums lol.

I would like to add that I have opened 2000+ Chests now and received 0 eggs.

But I’m seeing noobs running around after buying 200 chests having multiple eggs?

Surely their odds can’t be the same as mine.