aqww123 wrote:I wouldnt say res wanted nothing from the arrangement with ds. Well im not in res so i guess i shouldnt say so, but from the perspective of a ds member i wouldnt say res helped us purely from the kindness of their hearts. Unit and colours were often dominating s and t. There often was times when ds or res alone would not have been able to outlock the comp. Only together in a mix clan group would we have been able to. Thats what I believe the agreement was for, to change a losing battle into one that is winnable. If it was purely just to help us, there wouldnt have been times when ds and res were competing separately at s and t during the months that the agreement ran. Neither would res have rolled on drops in the mix group if all they wanted to do was help ds. I will say tho, ds did get the most out of our alliance because often at the time the agreement was made, ds normally had a small lock group, and res did give us quite a bit of drops while the alliance ran. So yea we benefitted from working together. I would say it was a lie bob, that res "wanted nothing" from the alliance, cause you guys beneffited as well. Maybe not to the same extent as ds but res did.
And what do you mean by us poaching res members? We did not go around asking res members if they would like to join us. Some just left res and pmed our leaders asking if they could join us. For some of them, they were just not enjoying res and wanted a change in environment. Nothing wrong with that. Not complely related to the topic, but i remeber seeing in old valiant mox binders how res leaders were asking val members to join res, telling them how much better res is than val. Thats what i would call poaching, but to each their own. Anyways those res members that asked to join, we didnt take their request lightly. It was discussed among us, and we would ask some res members about them(often the clansman in res just had good things to say about the ones we took in(maybe not relevant but they said good things about the character of the person, opposite to the description some res leaders would tell us), before voting on if we would accept their request to join
Now I tell the whole story bear with me this will be kinda lengthy but I'll break it up as I go along..
Did the alliance between ds and res start as a mutual agreement yes.. was it because we couldn't outlock unit and colours alone not entirely.. our best rogue lock groups are just as comtepetive as any that unit or colours can put forward I myself have arguably the best geared lock rogue on arawn.. with that being said myself and many others can't attend every boss that at the time unit or colours would camp non stop almost 24/7 the same ppl over and over again.. so yeah the primary agreement was mutually beneficial in a sense on off hours so we could sleep like human beings..
Now with that being said I did many things that deadstrike here casually omits from his posting.. yes res won rolls but what he doesn't tell u is that many many times when a drop that me or my clan didn't need and we won't it I still gave it to them out of nothing but kindness.. I also started them up with 20 horns (non purple) because we have many and I wanted to get some of them geared up was nice to do something selfless for others yet that part was also omitted from deadstrikes post..
Now our agreement started to grow stronger and friendships were forgered personally I became very good friends with liv arronheln dragonsouls chieftain spoke to her quite often and even in some cases confided my frustrations with a lot of things in game and in my real life..so in a sense it became more then just a mutual agreement between clans on only sreng and troll.. we have also had joint hrung kills where I let them keep 2/3 drops.. and have also helped ds kill legacy's and solo hrungs without asking for anything in return ( note ds never once offered or showed to help kill a necro proteus or a gelebron)..
Now we also had agreement to keep certain ppl (scammers, ppl who had left clan on bad terms, etc etc) out of the other clan in a show of unity.. this is where it starts to break apart.. one player who had left the server after he stole some gear from res came back a couple months later.. this player was mutually agreed on to be blacklisted from both clans but when he returned ds took him in still I wasn't happy but I looked past this..
Now said player recruited a player from res who I just gave rogue edl mh and oh too.. not poaching each other's clanmates was also part of our mutual agreement and if anyone needs proof I have snapshots of that rogue admitting he is leaving because his friend had just returned and asked him to join him in ds mind u a player we had mutually agreeed would be best left off the server..
Now for the coup de tat so to speak the last member taken by ds has stolen numberous drops from braves bank never returned them as he was once a former leader, he has also been cought blackmailing a player in res trying to get password info for a account ( I have snapshots of this too prove if any are interested).. and he also has borrowed gear on his toons from ppl who still reside in resurgence which he refuses and has yet to return (basically scamming)..
So I ask this what did res or myself do wrong here besides trust someone and a clan basically helped get them going.. now it seeems that all integrity is lost and it's just do whatever it takes to get a lock since unit/colours has dissapeared from server.. res wasn't the clan that changed went back on our agreement here ds did.. they didn't need to bring in these people and basically condoning scamming and blackmailing behavior because I would have gladly helped them progress myself which I have been shown already to do so in the past..
Lesson learned I suppose don't trust ppl I guess and I won't get a knife in the back from someone you think is a friend.. thx for reading the truth have a nice day everyone